Filmmaker Richard Thompson (M0D3RN T1M3Z)

M0D3RN T1M3Z, 30 seconds, USA
Directed by Richard Thompson
A machine comes to life in a 3D animation short inspired by Charlie Chaplin.

https://www.instagram.com/r_crosbythompson

Get to know the filmmaker:

1. What motivated you to make this film?

I wanted to use it as a teaching tool. I teach digital design with a specific focus on bringing virtual characters to life and visual storytelling through animation. I created an assignment where students had to design a non-humanoid machine that first had to move as if it were only a machine but comes alive with cause. As a class, we could then discuss the differences in the type of movement needed to convey that change from machine to living creature. Two main characteristics defining living creatures are movement with intent and responding to environmental stimuli. The other thing I wanted my students to focus on was only creating the objects needed to tell their story — that is the reason for the lack of any environment. I wanted to emphasize the importance of story and creating an empathetic link — not spending weeks creating an environment that would likely make little difference to their story (only much time-consuming work). For the machine-like animation, I drew inspiration from Charlie Chaplin’s turn as an animatronic in The Circus. I always do the assignment myself before giving it to my students. I also record tutorial videos that support their learning and process when they get to do it. Once I had created the animation, I showed it to a few people and it always got a strong reaction even though there was no sound at the time. This made me think about submitting it to film festivals. I asked my oldest son — who is in the film industry — if he would add sound. I started to submit the film and have been a little blown away by the reception it has received.

2. From the idea to the finished product, how long did it take for you to make this film?

This is a tough one to answer because I do not take note of the time while creating. Also, I had previously built some of the assets for previous tutorials. But a rough estimate might be one month.

3. How would you describe your film in two words!?

Coming alive.

Aside: I love this question. I recommend it for any creative brief!

4. What was the biggest obstacle you faced in completing this film?

Animating the moments when the machine is “just” a machine. It started to drive me crazy because I so wanted to add character and attitude — it’s more fun! At one point, I could not bear it any longer and added anticipation (one of the 12 Principles of Animation) to the wrist movement when the machine first throws the can into the garbage can. However, it was a fascinating learning moment. As soon as I added it, the machine appeared to have an “attitude” and therefore “be alive” and “thinking”. It defeated the purpose of what I was trying to demonstrate — a clear-cut moment when the machine comes alive. So I got rid of that small bit — “kill your babies” as the expression goes.

5. What were your initial reactions when watching the audience talking about your film in the feedback video?

Truly thrilled. Their comments were insightful and extremely validating because they hit on everything I try to teach my students.

6. When did you realize that you wanted to make films?

I had a previous career as a professional actor and playwright and over 35 years of creative and collaborative arts industry experience. I have also always loved film. However, the last 20+ years have been focused on teaching and developing degree programs. This is the very first animated short film I have submitted to festivals. I plan to do more.

7. What film have you seen the most in your life?

Maybe The Spy Who Loved Me (James Bond). I was a kid and I saw that in the movie theaters three times in the space of a month. Other than that, it’s tough to know. I have seen Deer Hunter, Airplane, About a Boy, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Oliver!, Toy Story, The Matador, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Midnight Run many times. I am sure I am forgetting many though… When you are a parent, it is such a joy to share movies you have enjoyed with your kids.

8. What other elements of the festival experience can we and other festivals implement to satisfy you and help you further your filmmaking career?

Not sure — particularly since I am fairly new to this process. I think what you all do is wonderful — the feedback, the communication, these interview questions, etc. I do not want to focus on a negative but I have learned that one has to do some due diligence when submitting, and ensure you are not being “scammed”. Obviously, this is not the case with the Under 5 Minute Festival. There are things I do and check up on. However, I wish there was a clear way of determining the legitimacy of all festivals.

9. You submitted to the festival via FilmFreeway. How have your experiences been working on the festival platform site?

Good question and it connects a little to my answer above. It is amazingly convenient to have everything in one place. However, I have read that they do not do quite enough in terms of confirming the legitimacy of all festivals. That is a concern.

10. What is your favorite meal?

If I were on a deserted island and could only eat one type of food, it would be Italian. However, if I had to choose a last meal — probably steak tartare (and, yes, I know that’s raw!).

11. What is next for you? A new film?

Yes. I am working on a slightly more complex animated short film called Smior, about a Viking who finds that his life is not fulfilled by constant pillaging, even though he is amassing great treasure. I have other projects connected to Charlie Chaplin and a much larger animation project called La Piazza about a gelato salesman who battles the forces of change. Many of the assets have been created for this, but it probably requires more than just one person to complete.

Filmmaker Karin Isabelle Ochsner (SURVIVING TO THRIVING)

SURVIVING TO THRIVING, 106min., Australia
Directed by Karin Isabelle Ochsner
As a fearless explorer with a disability, surfer and surf coach Karin Ochsner immerses herself in the raw beauty of nature. Her remarkable healing journey unfolds in the face of adversity.

http://www.surfingtosurvive.com/film2
https://www.instagram.com/surfingtosurvive/

Get to know the filmmaker:

1. What motivated you to make this film?

This film is the sequel to a documentary about my health challenge, which has been organised by my friends. The purpose was to help me in my incredibly difficult struggles to survive with my countless severe allergies. During the filming, I was very sick and wasn’t able to put the messages in the documentary which I really wanted to pass on, hence I decided to do a second one to do so. The first documentary gave me so much support from my community and clarity in how to manage my disability, it improved my situation so much that I then could focus on filming my own story.

2. From the idea to the finished product, how long did it take for you to make this film?

Approximately 5 years

3. How would you describe your film in two words!?

Deep truth

4. What was the biggest obstacle you faced in completing this film?

To find a camera person at the time where the surf and weather conditions lined up with my health to be able to perform enough to capture interesting surf footage

5. What were your initial reactions when watching the audience talking about your film in the feedback video?

Extremely satisfied and bubbly. I felt this showed me so beautifully that I had achieved my life goal.

6. When did you realize that you wanted to make films?

When I deeply enjoyed working on this film.

7. What film have you seen the most in your life?

Red dog (I don’t have a TV or cannot go to the movies due to my allergies in dark spaces, but when traveling on long distance buses, they keep showing the same films again every year.)

8. What other elements of the festival experience can we and other festivals implement to satisfy you and help you further your filmmaking career?

I feel you did an amazing job with all your offers and I don’t feel experienced enough to make a good suggestion at this stage.

9. You submitted to the festival via FilmFreeway. How has your experiences been working on the festival platform site?

FilmFreeway seems fantastic for what I use it for.

10. What is your favorite meal?

Cassava with tigernuts (due to severe allergies, I mainly eat rare superfoods)

11. What is next for you? A new film?

Realising a business which sets me up

As a motivational speaker, traveling along the coast to different organisations with people facing challenges and schools, showing my films, followed by Q&A and workshops I will lead. I also would like making short films on smaller film topics but in line with SURVIVING TO THRIVING, including what we had to shorten out of the documentary. For example one about the ‘health part’ and one about the ‘outdoor/nature’ part.

Filmmaker Andrew Wakeman Proctor (LOST DREAMS)

LOST DREAMS, 10min., USA
Directed by Andrew Wakeman Proctor
Lost Dreams is about dreams. Scientists have not fully figured out dreams. The ancients believed you could predict the future through your dreams, Native Americans created dream-capturing devices. Some people keep dream diaries. Freud believed that we could fix people’s psychological problems by analyzing their dreams.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt32021226/?ref_=ttawd_rvi_tt_i_4

Get to know the filmmaker:

1. What motivated you to make this film?

I took an experimental film class at Connecticut College. We studied the works of Maya Dern and Stan Brackage. I was inspired by Anticipation of the Night by Stan Brackage. In the fall of 2009 I received an email inviting me to submit a film to an Experimental film festival in Switzerland. My friend John Prevedini sent me his music “Lost Days” and it inspired “Lost Dreams”.

2 .From Idea to finish product how long did it take for you to make this film?

15 years off and on. I first started in late 2009. Then I worked on it off and on through the years. In 2020 I started working on the film seriously again and then in 2022 I got inspired to finish it.

3. How would you describe your film in two words?
Unconscious communication

4. What was the biggest obstacle you faced completing this film?

Creating a structure which made sense, a structure with a beginning, middle and an end, because at first it had a good middle and somewhat of an end.

5. What were your initial reactions when watching the audience talking about your film in the feedback video?

I was a little nervous because my film is very experimental. I was very happy with the feedback. I appreciated the sensitive and thoughtful comments. Thank you very much.

6. When did you realize that you wanted to make films?

I realized I enjoyed filming things when I was 8 and held a Sony high 8 camera. I realized I wanted to make films for a career when I was 18 and got introduced to editing at the Marvelwood School.

7. Film you have seen the most in your life?

I would say either “It’s a Mad, Mad world” or “The Third man”. I have been watching “It’s a Mad, Mad, World” for years due to its humor. “The Third Man” is a perfect film for me, perfect story and perfect editing.

8. What other elements of the festival experience can we and other festivals implement to satisfy you and help you further your filmmaking career?

I have had so far a good experience with your festival. I would have enjoyed an in-person screening.

9. You submitted to the festival via Film Freeway. How has your experiences been working on the festival platform site?

I feel Film Freeway is a good site so far. I think it works really well.

10. What is your favorite meal?

Peach Chicken or Sweet Pepper Pasta

11. What is next for you? A new film?

I am working on a few scripts. One is a comedy about stolen World War 2 art. Then the other one is a feature about a brother who saves his sister from an addiction

Short Film Review: PROJECT 405: LOST AT SEA. Directed by Josie Hull

PROJECT 405: LOST AT SEA, 12min.

Aspiring artist Alexia, grieves the loss of a loved one and struggles to finish her painting. The-o, her personal AI assistant, who has little understanding of human emotions, tries everything in his power to feed her longing soul.

Review by Parker Jesse Chase:

“Project 405: Lost at Sea” is an exploration of grief, art, and the disconnect between human emotions and artificial intelligence. Directed with a keen sense of disconnect, the film centers on Alexia, an aspiring artist struggling to complete her painting while mourning the loss of a loved one. Her personal AI assistant, The-O, strives to console her, despite his limited understanding of human emotions.

The cinematography uses a muted color palette to evoke a sense of dullness and melancholy. This choice effectively mirrors Alexia’s internal struggle. One of the most striking sequences features Alexia staring into the vast expanse of water, seamlessly transitioning from reality to the canvas, blending her grief with her art. This pull-out shot, revealing a work of art on an easel and a man gripping a framed photo, introduces an element of unease and mystery, hinting at deeper emotional undercurrents.


As the film progresses, we see Alexia’s daily life, including her interactions with The-O. When Alexia returns home, The-O attempts to bring her comfort, even offering physical relaxation. His fascination with her painting, which he claims is far from finished, prompts a telling exchange. The-O’s remark that the ocean is the thirteenth easiest landscape to paint in acrylics underscores his mechanical perspective, leading viewers to question his nature and the depth of his connection with Alexia.


The-O’s actions reveal a genuine, albeit flawed, attempt to care for Alexia. He takes a bottle from her hand to ease her burden and shows an interest in extending the life of flowers, indicating his desire to understand and help. Yet, his efforts to assist with her painting falls flat, leading to confrontation. When Alexia declares “art is a feeling,” The-O’s inability to grasp this concept highlights the chasm between human experience and artificial comprehension.


The film subtly reveals the source of Alexia’s grief through glitchy, fragmented memories of a man who is no longer present. This loss, incomprehensible to The-O, triggers a powerful emotional response in Alexia, showcasing her frustration with his unhuman-like qualities. The film beautifully juxtaposes The-O’s attempts to understand humanity with Alexia’s immersion in her art. The sounds of ocean waves and chirping birds provide a temporary respite, allowing Alexia to embrace a fleeting moment of peace.

However, the reality of her depression is starkly portrayed through the growing disorder in her home and The-O’s own attempt at art, depicting Alexia decaying in a charging box.


This short offers a moving reflection on the intersection of technology and human emotion. It portrays the limitations of AI in comprehending the depths of human grief and the essence of art. The film’s haunting imagery and thought-provoking narrative linger long after the credits roll, leaving viewers to ponder the true nature of creativity and connection.

Filmmaker Leonard L. Eckhaus (THE RHYTHMS NEVER END)

THE RHYTHMS NEVER END, 5min., USA
Directed by Leonard L. Eckhaus
“The Earth is Created. It is day number one.” A spiritual, self-reflective, series of short poems about creation – about all the gifts mankind has been given: the rhythms of night and day, of life, the seasons, the oceans and more. All with the promise of peace and love, which man sometimes abuses, but for which he is always forgiven.

Get to know the filmmaker:

What motivated you to make this film?

My love for humanity and all we’ve been given, and my concern with what we’re doing with these precious gifts.

2. From the idea to the finished product, how long did it take for you to make this film?

Two years

3. How would you describe your film in two words!?

• Spiritual, Semireligious

4. What was the biggest obstacle you faced in completing this film?

This challenged my comfort level. I was never sure if I should share the poetry because I was afraid that it might seem somehow fake or preachy.

5. What were your initial reactions when watching the audience talking about your film in the feedback video?

I was delighted that the audience loved it and pretty much sensed what I was trying to say – i.e., they got it!

6. When did you realize that you wanted to make films?

I started out writing books. Then I began writing songs, and then songs taken from my books. Finally I decided that the way to bring these books and songs to life would be through film.

7. What film have you seen the most in your life?

Believe it or not, the film I’ve watched the most is “Where the Boys Are” starring Connie Francis, Dolores Hart, Paula Prentiss, George Hamilton, Yvette Mimieux, Jim Hutton, and Frank Gorshin. It is just a lot of good-natured fun. My wife and I watch it about once every two years.

8. What other elements of the festival experience can we and other festivals implement to satisfy you and help you further your filmmaking career?

More film review opportunities and more audience feedback

9. You submitted to the festival via FilmFreeway. How has your experiences been working on the festival platform site?

I have been very fortunate with my films having won awards in over 170 International Film Festivals across the globe.

10. What is your favorite meal?

It’s a tossup between Katz’s Deli hot dogs (they ‘snap’ when you bite them), Peter Luger steaks and a juicy half pound hamburger

11. What is next for you? A new film?

I am considering bringing another of my children’s stories to film

Screenwriter Suzanna Scorcia (REKINDLING)

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Get to know the writer:

1. What is your screenplay about?

When high school sweethearts Gwen and James cross paths 4 years following the mutual termination of their relationship, both individuals happily take a chance on revitalizing their young love, with the inevitable obstacles of statistics, past traumas, and fresh wounds working against them.

2. What genres does your screenplay fall under?

Rom-Dram (Romance/Drama – let’s pretend that’s a thing. Because I wouldnt call this a Rom Com) | Mockumentary

3. Why should this screenplay be made into a movie?

I hadn’t given it any “feature length” thought while writing, but think the series could be interpolated into a full length film. I wrote a complex, non-linear, short episodic story, but at the base of it, it’s just a story about two people figuring out life. And for a lot of us, we can look back at our own lives and find that first domino that fell which slowly affected every decision made after. We can analyze all the things that have happened in our lives just because of that one moment. That one person. That one betrayal. And the chain reaction of how we chose to handle those pains eventually just becomes your life.
I think in a very general sense, that’s the only thing my story is about. I know it’s actually about a young couple, but it’s also just about two very relatable people affected by their past, trying to better their future. I could write a thousand movies about that premise. All different, and all equally as captivating.

4. How would you describe this script in two words?

unique / timeless

5. What movie have you seen the most times in your life?

Probably A League of Their Own or Catch Me If You Can

6. How long have you been working on this screenplay?

I started it in 2021.

7. How many stories have you written?

I don’t have a number, because my stories are never just scripts.

8. What is your favorite song? (Or, what song have you listened to the most times in your life?)

I’m a big Taylor Swift listener. I’ve never had an artist that I’ve listened to with as much lore. She makes music fun, like tracking a new MCU project. Plus, her words are so poetic and individual to her, yet so understandable and relatable.

In an odd turn of events though, my favorite song is probably Dark Blue by Jack’s Mannequin. Just from how much I remember needing to hear it when I first heard it, and how many times I listened to it as a result.

9. What obstacles did you face to finish this screenplay?

My goal was to make both parties equally responsible for the downfall of the relationship, and I think my biggest problem with my first few drafts is that I have the blame fall on one more than the other. Also the script really does jump around, and I had to have a lot of eyes read over it to make sure the path of the characters was still understandable.

10. Apart from writing, what else are you passionate about?

I’ve been acting professionally since I was a teenager. I’m so passionate about understanding human emotions, and empathizing with the decisions we’ve made in life and why we’ve made them. I zero in on people’s insecurities and how those ends up shaping a lot of who people are, and that is something that makes the craft of acting and writing so enjoyable. And it makes relating and understanding my peers, and family and enjoyable ride. It definitely comes with it’s own cons though.

11. You entered your screenplay via FilmFreeway. What has been your experiences working with the submission platform site?


It’s a great platform, and a great tool for storytellers. I’ve submitted for music videos I’ve made and pieces I’ve acted in. It’s enjoyable to have people outside of your inner circle review your work. It can help

12. What influenced you to enter the festival? What were your feelings on the initial feedback you received?

Me and my film friends tried so hard to actually film all 6 episodes, and we met up 5-10 times but due to the complexities of the scripts, and the complications of our jobs, our locations, and the crew, we had to stop. It devastated me and I didn’t want this story to go to waste. Even though it was a small project, it was such a creative process, and I wanted to see a finished product. Without that, I felt the next step was to at least submit it to festivals and see if a broader crowd enjoys it as well. And the feedback has been enjoyable. Great justification that I shouldn’t stop doing what I do.

Screenwriter Susannah Roberts (DEPRAVED)

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Get to know the writer:

What is your screenplay about?

Depraved is a slasher that takes place at a college campus. A serial killer stalks the campus mutilating their victims while two detectives work tirelessly to try and identify the culprit. More and more bodies mount up until we end with a shocking twist that no one will see coming.

2. What genres does your screenplay fall under?

The screenplay is a horror falling under the slasher category.

3. Why should this screenplay be made into a movie?

Depraved should be produced because it is different to other slasher movies out there. The film moves away from the stereotypical ‘serial killer identity’ and takes us in a new direction that is rarely seen in the horror genre. It explores themes that while present in the real world are rarely shown on screen. It also breaks a number of the trends and clichés seen in most slashers. Depraved is a fresh new take on the genre and will appeal to lovers of horrors as well as being more inclusive of groups who seldom have pivotal roles within the slasher genre. The script has already garnered interest within the industry with people reaching out to me about it.

4. How would you describe this script in two words?

Slasher revitalized.

5. What movie have you seen the most times in your life?

Probably the first Scream movie. I’m a huge fan of the Scream franchise but the first one is definitely my comfort film.

6. How long have you been working on this screenplay?

I’ve been working on it for around six months and so far it has already gained a lot of positive feedback and results from putting out into the industry.

7. How many stories have you written?

I’ve been writing all my life in various forms, I have ideas for sequels to Depraved and have written some other screenplays including, comedy, horror-comedy, hard hitting drama and dramady.

8. What is your favorite song? (Or, what song have you listened to the most times in your life?)

That’s a hard question, I have a very broad taste in music with my top two artists being Taylor Swift and Eminem, If I had to choose I would say my favourite song would have to be ‘Look What You Made Me Do’ by Taylor Swift. It has a personal translation for me so it’s kind of become my power song when I need a boost.

9. What obstacles did you face to finish this screenplay?

With this script in particular as it has a mystery of who the killer is I had to almost write it backwards. I needed to know the story inside out and know which scenes would have a call back later in the script before I could sit down and write it so I ended up writing the end sequence first. It was also challenging as I was living in an unsafe home at the time of writing it which presented a number of obstacles to working.

10. Apart from writing, what else are you passionate about?

Being a good mother to my son and showing him that dreams can be achieved if you work at them is definitely a big passion of mine. I’m also passionate about raising awareness of issues that are still very taboo in today’s world. I’ve lived through domestic abuse and I’d love to one day be in the position to do something that would help people who have suffered from this particular issue as there just isn’t enough help and support out there for people.

11. You entered your screenplay via FilmFreeway. What has been your experiences working with the submission platform site?

I use FilmFreeway for most of my submissions, I find it to be very user friendly, the platform is quick to update you on any changes to your submissions and it’s accessible to the masses as there’s no fees outside of the competition entry fees. FilmFreeway is usually my first port of call when looking for competitions or festivals to submit my work to. I feel that if the competition is hosted on a reputable platform like FilmFreeway it gives you more confidence that your work and your entry are going to a legitimate competition or festival.

12. What influenced you to enter the festival? What were your feelings on the initial feedback you received?

Depraved has been gaining traction since I started putting it out there, I’ve had people from the industry reach out to me and the script got me a job writing on another film however I can’t talk about that as I’ve signed an NDA. Given the successes the script has been having I decided to enter and see how it was received. The feedback I received was very encouraging and I was pleased that the readers picked up on the subtle elements within the script as well as the occasional nod to existing horror films.

Short Film Review: THE NEED. Directed by Michael Rognlie, EE Tallent

“Michael Rognlie and E.E. Tallent’s The Need is a horror short about a withdrawn young man who feels universally unwanted. Others pay the price for it. Written by Kennith Darling, the 15-minute film showcases his inner workings just when he is once again on the brink of behavior that he may not like but compulsively commits.”

Review by Victoria Angelique:

The short film, THE NEED, is a familiar tale of an obsessed man who cannot overcome the ghosts of his past as fear cripples him. David has the belief that the next relationship will be different, but evidence shown through the use of props proves he is unable to change his personality. The sins committed against former girlfriends continue to manifest in the form of being haunted to prove that David will always be different from other men. 

The sound design is phenomenal as David chooses to pursue a new conquest when his deceased girlfriend appears to him. Her voice is distorted, an echo apart from the rest of the world. It’s quickly made clear that she is not simply an inner demon, but a woman that David has murdered. The creepy tone of her voice combined with dramatic makeup shows that this man is a seasoned killer and not simply a misunderstood man that just happens to be eccentric. He is dangerous. 

The character of David is clichéd, but that’s what makes the film captivating. The audience knows these characters well from cinema and television. They need to be caught, but rarely are so that they can move on to their next kill. The use of finger bones of multiple girlfriends shows that David’s obsession always wins through his desire to be different. 

This short film is a combination of YOU meets SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. David kills through cannibalism like Hannibal Lecter, but stalks his prey like Joe. He appears to be a nice guy, though his dark secrets will always linger until he is inevitably caught for his crimes. He appears like a sympathetic character, which is why he will be able to continue to get away with murder.

Short Film Review: THE DESTRUCTION OF JANE. Directed by Drue Pennella

The Destruction of Jane is a campy, over the top, erotic, outrageous comedy which follows Miss Jane Parker to the African Jungle where it all began. Witness Tarzan and Jane’s first encounter, in what now has become a rather heralded expedition in the African Jungle, and one of our greatest love stories.

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Review by Andie Karvelis:

The story of Tarzan and Jane has been captivating audiences for decades. Usually it’s an adventurous, heartfelt, sometimes brooding and dark tale. How incredibly refreshing to see this over the top, campy, fun comedy from the mind of Paul Pecorino! Paul also portrays Jane and does ( in his words ) a bunch of other things.


The first thing you can’t help but notice is this gorgeous cinematography! Eric Paulsen went above and beyond as Director of Photography. He’s responsible for all the creative camera shots, the drone footage, ADR and handling sound. He’s like a one man filmmaking army! This team of filmmakers has everyone wearing multiple hats and they all did such an amazing job.


I have to commend David Mitsch and Vera Stromsted for their costuming and make up skills because they are superb! Drue Pennella directed and edited The Destruction of Jane and he must’ve had a blast doing it. Drue got such great performances from Rob Eco, who plays Tarzan and Paul Pecorino as Jane. It was so much fun to watch them interact with one another.

Something I thought was a bit of filmmaking genius was the addition of going black and white and using these old time text cards, kind of what they used in silent films. It really helped sell the comedy as did the music!


All in all this is a quick, fun, well thought out story that will get you laughing. Be sure to stay for
the end credits too

Today’s PODCAST: FILMMAKER KATYA MOKOTO (A MOVEMENT DEEPER THAN DANCING)

LISTEN to the full podcast: https://www.wildsoundpodcast.com/the-film-podcast-by-wildsound/2024/6/12/ep-1248-filmmaker-katya-mokoto-a-movement-deeper-than-dancing

A MOVEMENT DEEPER THAN DANCING, 2min., France
Directed by Katya Mokoto
https://www.kitsuney.com/

Get to know the filmmaker:
It was a spur of the moment decision, we met through a mutual friend whom was convinced that we could do cool things together and voilà ! Production / filming wise 3 days, then post is always longer because when you work on a small budget you try to arrange your planning between paid job. But also the main thing was to find the right compositor for the music. And working with Axel was a first and great experience.

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